Legislature(2003 - 2004)

05/13/2003 04:08 PM House FIN

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SENATE BILL NO. 109                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     "An Act repealing  the statute that sets  priorities for                                                                   
     the Department  of Health  and Social Services  to apply                                                                   
     to  administration  of the  medical  assistance  program                                                                   
     when  there  are  insufficient funds  allocated  in  the                                                                   
     state   budget  for   that   program;  authorizing   the                                                                   
     department to  make cost containment decisions  that may                                                                   
     include  decisions  about  eligibility  of  persons  and                                                                   
     availability  of services  under the medical  assistance                                                                   
     program; and providing for an effective date."                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
 Co-Chair Harris  MOVED to  ADOPT  the Committee  Substitute,                                                                   
 Work Draft 23-GS1124\H.   There  being NO OBJECTION,  it was                                                                   
 so ordered.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
 JOEL  GILBERTSON,  COMMISSIONER,  DEPARTMENT   OF  HEALTH  &                                                                   
 SOCIAL SERVICES,  spoke in  support of  the legislation.  He                                                                   
 stressed that the legislation  is needed for  the Department                                                                   
 to move forward in the prudent adoption  of cost containment                                                                   
 measures, which  would  allow  it  to meet  the  legislative                                                                   
 mandate  for  fiscal  accountability  while  minimizing  the                                                                   
 impact  on  Medicaid  beneficiaries.   Intent  language  was                                                                   
 modified and is consistent  with the Department's  intent to                                                                   
 develop  a  preferred  drug  list  that   is  responsive  to                                                                   
 clinical evidence.  It would also  develop an  authorization                                                                   
 system,  which would  allow  providers  to  prescribe  drugs                                                                   
 outside  of the  preferred  drugs  in  each drug  class.  He                                                                   
 observed that the Committee  had held hearings on  the House                                                                   
 version of the bill.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
 Co-Chair Harris asked  if the bill  had been  discussed with                                                                   
 pharmaceutical companies.  The Commissioner  did not perform                                                                   
 that duty.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
 Vice-Chair Meyer referred  to line 2 of the  intent language                                                                   
 and asked if "all" was appropriate.  Commissioner Gilbertson                                                                   
 explained that  the  section clarifies  that  the drugs  are                                                                   
 Medicaid approved  medications.  This  is a  smaller  subset                                                                   
 than "all pharmaceutical products available  for sale in the                                                                   
 United States".   The Medicaid  program or Alaska's  medical                                                                   
 systems program does not necessarily  cover a product simply                                                                   
 because it is an  approved pharmaceutical product.  It would                                                                   
 also need to be on the national negotiated  fee rate system.                                                                   
 Each drug company negotiates with the  federal government to                                                                   
 establish a  nation  drug rebate  schedule  for states  that                                                                   
 participate in  the Medicaid Program.  The Medicaid  program                                                                   
 at a state level  does not cover  a drug unless it  has been                                                                   
 approved at the federal  level.  He noted that  drugs, which                                                                   
 are specifically  excluded from  the Medicaid program,  such                                                                   
 as  abortion  drugs,  which  are  not  under  the  federally                                                                   
 approved program, cannot be prescribed.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
 Representative Kerttula MOVED Amendments  #1: 23-GS1124\A.2.                                                                   
 Co-Chair  Williams   OBJECTED.     Representative   Kerttula                                                                   
 explained that Amendment  1 would address the  delegation of                                                                   
 authority issue.  The  amendment would force  the Department                                                                   
 to  bring  the  list  to  the  Governor  so  that  budgetary                                                                   
 decisions could be  made. The Department  would not  be able                                                                   
 to  eliminate a  group  until  all  optional  services  were                                                                   
 eliminated.   The  Legislative  Affairs  Agency's  attorneys                                                                   
 indicated that the bill might over delegate legislative.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Gilbert  stated that the Administration  did not                                                                   
support the amendment.   The amendment allows  a new priority                                                                   
list to  be set  in statute  a year  in advance. He  stressed                                                                   
that it  would be more responsive  to make the  decision when                                                                   
the budget deficit in the Medicaid  program is determined. He                                                                   
maintained that  the list should  be more ongoing to  be more                                                                   
responsive.  He  indicated that the list would  be created in                                                                   
response  to current deficits,  in order  to achieve  savings                                                                   
and minimize impacts.   He observed that the  amendment would                                                                   
require that  all optional services  be eliminated  before an                                                                   
optional eligible group could  be eliminated. He acknowledged                                                                   
that eligible  individuals should  be protected,  but pointed                                                                   
out that  the amendment would  require that wheel  chairs and                                                                   
prosthetics be  eliminated before eligibility  guidelines for                                                                   
higher earning  individuals could be affected.  He maintained                                                                   
that  this was  not feasible  and harmful  to recipients  and                                                                   
stressed that the system is flawed.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Kerttula noted that  the amendment  is geared                                                                   
toward  providing   the  information  with  enough   time  to                                                                   
scrutinize   decisions   and   address  the   delegation   of                                                                   
authority.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
 STACY KRALY, ASSISTANT  ATTORNEY GENERAL, DEPARTMENT  OF LAW                                                                   
 testified  via   teleconference.     She  stated   that  the                                                                   
 Department of Law  did not feel  that the bill  would create                                                                   
 an indefensible  delegation of  authority.   She noted  that                                                                   
 the central  issue was  whether the  legislation would  pass                                                                   
 legislative  authority   on   to  an   agency  without   any                                                                   
 limitations on  the implementation  of the  authority.   She                                                                   
 noted  that there  were  a  variety  of  state  and  federal                                                                   
 limitations,  which  govern  the  Medicaid   program.    She                                                                   
 concluded that  the issues related  to the Medicaid  program                                                                   
 prevented prioritizing to address budget  shortfalls without                                                                   
 addressing  statutory   and   regulatory  limitations.   The                                                                   
 legislation  limits  the discretion  of  the  Department  in                                                                   
 regards to the implementation of cost  containment measures.                                                                   
 She  asserted  that   the  legislation  is   an  appropriate                                                                   
 delegation, providing  an agency with  a vary  specific area                                                                   
 of expertise the authority to administer a program.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
 Representative  Kerttula asked  if  there  is any  law  that                                                                   
 would define  the  order in  which cuts  would  occur.   Ms.                                                                   
 Kraly acknowledged  that  there is  no  companion list,  but                                                                   
 pointed  out  that  there  are  limitations   regarding  the                                                                   
 coverage of  optional  services.  Individual  determinations                                                                   
 would occur,  rather  than  a  category  of services.    She                                                                   
 stated that there was  no list in federal or  state law, but                                                                   
 that there were limitations pertaining to individuals.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
 A roll call vote was taken on the motion.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
 IN FAVOR:     Berkowitz, Kerttula, Moses                                                                                       
 OPPOSED:      Chenault, Hawker, Meyer, Harris, Williams                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
 Representatives Foster,  Stoltze  and  Whitaker were  absent                                                                   
 from the vote.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
 The MOTION FAILED (3-5).                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
 Representative  Kerttula  MOVED  Amendment   #2.    Co-Chair                                                                   
 Williams OBJECTED.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
 Representative Kerttula  stated that the amendment  contains                                                                   
 a notice provision,  which would  require the  Department to                                                                   
 notify  individuals  that are  impacted  at  least  60  days                                                                   
 before coverage would be denied by written notice.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
 Commissioner Gilbertson agreed  that there should  be notice                                                                   
 provisions, but pointed  out that  there are already  a host                                                                   
 of notice requirements under the Medicaid  program. There is                                                                   
 a minimum 30 days public notice period  and a minimum 30-day                                                                   
 waiting period  before the regulation  change can  occur. He                                                                   
 estimated that it already takes 90 to  120 days for a change                                                                   
 [in regulations]  to occur.   He stated  that under  federal                                                                   
 law, participants  have to receive  a 10  ten day  notice on                                                                   
 adverse actions  if service is  denied, terminated,  reduced                                                                   
 or  required.  He  concluded  that  federal  law  and  state                                                                   
 regulations addressed notice for changes in service.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
 Representative Berkowitz clarified  that a 10-day  notice is                                                                   
 required [for the denial of service] and  asked if there was                                                                   
 a reason not to give more notice.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
 BOB LABBE, DEPUTY DIRECTOR, DEPARTMENT  OF HEALTH AND SOCIAL                                                                   
 SERVICES, pointed out  that the participants  would probably                                                                   
 receive  two  notices.  Individual  case  actions  typically                                                                   
 required  a  ten-day  notice,  but  broad  category  changes                                                                   
 generally received a longer notice.   He reiterated the ten-                                                                   
 day minimum under federal law.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
 Representative Berkowitz  asserted that,  in a rural  state,                                                                   
 ten days  was not adequate.  He stressed  that people  might                                                                   
 not be contacted in  time to make alternative  arrangements.                                                                   
 He proposed that the state of Alaska  be more courteous than                                                                   
 the requirements under federal law                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
 Commissioner  Gilbertson  responded  that  there  are  ample                                                                   
 notice   requirements   under   federal    law   and   state                                                                   
 regulations. The regulation  process would take  longer than                                                                   
 sixty days.    He  pointed  out that  larger  changes  would                                                                   
 require longer notice.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
 Representative Berkowitz asked the time  frame for notifying                                                                   
 impacted individuals.    Mr.  Labbe stated  that  individual                                                                   
 cases were  given  a 10-day  notice.  General changes  would                                                                   
 have a minimum thirty-day notice.   He added that regulation                                                                   
 changes would  be  necessary. He  speculated  that a  longer                                                                   
 process might require  [the Department to  institute] larger                                                                   
 reductions  due  to  delay  [in  savings]   and  a  lack  of                                                                   
 efficiency.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
 Representative  Kerttula  pointed  out   that  a  regulation                                                                   
 notice was very different  than a notice to  the participant                                                                   
 that they are  losing a  benefit.   She observed that  there                                                                   
 was little information  about the nature of  notice received                                                                   
 by individuals.   She  suggested that  a written notice  was                                                                   
 easy enough, and maintained that a written  notice would not                                                                   
 be onerous.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
 A roll call vote was taken on the motion.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
 IN FAVOR:     Berkowitz, Kerttula, Moses                                                                                       
 OPPOSED:      Foster, Stoltze, Hawker, Meyer, Harris,                                                                          
               Williams                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
 Representatives Chenault and  Whitaker were absent  from the                                                                   
 vote.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
 The MOTION FAILED (3-6).                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
 Co-Chair  Harris MOVED  to  report  CSSB  109 (FIN)  out  of                                                                   
 Committee    with    the    accompanying     fiscal    note.                                                                   
 Representative Kerttula OBJECTED.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
 A roll call vote was taken on the motion.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
 IN FAVOR:     Berkowitz, Kerttula, Moses                                                                                       
 OPPOSED:      Foster, Stoltze, Hawker, Meyer, Harris,                                                                          
               Williams                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
 Representatives Chenault and  Whitaker were absent  from the                                                                   
 vote.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
 CSSB 109  (FIN) was  REPORTED out  of Committee  with a  "do                                                                   
 pass" recommendation  and with  previously published  fiscal                                                                   
 note: #1 HSS.                                                                                                                  

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